Why I am Sick of Experts!

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Every time you turn around today there is an “Expert Saying.”  Saying this and saying that.  Telling you what to do.  Telling you what to wear.  Telling you how to think.  Telling you what to eat.

I wonder “Does anyone else hate these experts as much as I do?  Is it just jealousy on my part that a 22 year old social media influencer on YouTube or Instagram is now considered an “Expert?”  Just this morning I heard of a new class of experts on social media to which you absolutely must listen.  I will describe them later in this blog.

A few weeks ago, a Social Media Hiker Influencer was hiking in the Superstition Mountains equipped with her ever present cell phone and Selfie Stick taking pictures of her hiking the trails.  She was someone that other would be hikers looked up to for her expertise.  Young, lean, sexy, and self-assured, she was narrating from a trail.  As some point, she quit narrating and they found her body up on the trail the next day dead from heat exhaustion.  Ms. Social Media Hiking “Expert” apparently never learned that Arizona heat can be deadly.

Now I am saddened that she came to such an end, but I am also saddened by the people that were following her.  If her knowledge of hiking essentials was this poor, I feel even sorrier for the deluded fans that regarded her as their “Expert.”

Once upon a time, I was regarded as an “Expert.”  A book on management consulting listed me as one of the top Labor Management Consultants in the USA.  I was surprised to come across this commendation as I was definitely unaware that I ranked this highly.  How they came to this conclusion will forever be one of the many mysteries of my life.

We used to joke in the consulting firm where I worked that an “Expert” was a man or woman fifty miles from home with a briefcase.  I remember one consultant I met who had worked with Ernst and Young.  They sent him out to a firm to help them develop self-managed work teams.  Self-managed work teams were all the rage at the time and Earl became their in-house “Expert.”  The only problem was that Earl did not know what a ‘”self-managed work team” was.  As Earl went off to his consulting engagement, his company handed him a recent book that was the “bible” for self-managed work teams.  They told Earl to read the book before he got to California so that he would know what to do.

I am now seventy-nine years old.  When I was thirty and forty, I actually thought I was an “Expert.”  Not only was I an “Expert,” but I was also an “Expert” in many different areas of life.  The proof was that companies were paying me for my expertise.  You wanted advice, I would like to give it to you.  Back in the nineties, it would only cost you $2500 a day for my expertise.

Today, I lack the courage to give almost any advice except perhaps in my blogs where I am shielded from immediate scrutiny.  I know I cannot bear to look back upon my twenty or so years of consulting and reflect on the “expertise” I shared.  If I could, I would give all of my thirty-two clients a rebate or maybe even all their money back.  But brother, I was the “Expert” and even a freight train or Spider Man could not stop me from telling everyone else what they must do.

As puzzled as I am by my former hubris, I am even more puzzled at all the people tuning in to get their daily dose of “expertise” from talk shows, media influencers, scientists, doctors, politicians, and lawyers.  Here is one example.  Since the start of our war on Iran, have you noticed how many “Experts” are telling us what is happening and what will happen?

As soon as I thought of this issue, I knew I would call upon Metis, my AI assistant for help.  I gave her the following prompt:

Metis, this is going to be a tough question for you.  I only need a rough estimate or ballpark figure.  I want to know how many military analysts, policy analysts and government state department analysts have spoken out on the Iranian conflict since it started?  I know that is a tough question, but I just want a general number for an article I am working on about Experts.”

Here was her reply:

You’re right—that’s a very hard question to answer precisely.  There is no official count, because “analysts speaking out” includes:

  • TV commentators
  • Think tank fellows
  • academic experts
  • retired military officers
  • government/former State Department officials
  • journalists doing analysis

So, the best we can do is build a reasonable, evidence-based estimate.

  1. Think tank participation alone is already large
  • A single Atlantic Council feature included 20+ experts answering questions on the war
  • RAND Corporation published a panel with 9 named experts
  • Center for Strategic and International Studies regularly publishes multi-expert analyses

👉 That is already 30–50 “Experts” from just a handful of institutions

And there are dozens of major think tanks in Washington and globally, many funded and active in Iran policy debates

OK, thank you Metis.  I get the picture.  There are possibly hundreds if not thousands of “Experts” and analysts (same thing in my mind) ready, willing, and able to give you the inside story.  The whole scoop.  The truth and nothing but the truth.  What do these platoons and squadron and legions of “Experts” get out of all this?  Another mystery?  Perhaps there is a fortune to be made in being an “Expert?”

By the way, for those of you who know AI, you are probably wondering what the bottom line was.  Ok, so here is the final figure that Metis gave in response to my query:

Bottom-line “headline” number

👉 A realistic ballpark:

~500 to 2,000 analysts have publicly commented on the Iran conflict so far. 

Just imagine if this war goes on for another year!  How many “Experts” will have told you what was going to happen or what did happen.  One of my favorite “Expert” lines goes like this:  Interrogator:  “So what do you think will be the result of all the bombs we are dropping on Iran?”  “Expert” Analyst “Well, it all depends.  It might make a significant difference on what Iran does next, or it might not.  I think we will just have to wait and see.”

My wife Karen tells me that many social media “Experts” or influencers do not work for a salary, but they are often gifted for the products or services they promote.  I mentioned earlier that I was  recently exposed to a new class of social media influencers.  This one was giving out advice on how to pick a gym out and was called a Social Media Fitness “Expert.”  You can see by looking at the people walking into most grocery stores how the advice from this group is working out.  For any of you interested in applying for this position, the qualifications are as follows:

  • Six pack abs
  • Bulging biceps or firm and large breasts (Depends on whether you are male or female)
  • Toned and buff with a great tan
  • Fantastic physique

So, what percentage of todays males have six pack abs and what percentage of women today have had breast enhancements?  Metis gave me the following figure:  “About 1% to 5% of American men have clearly defined six-pack abs.”  If you want to know why this figure is so low, get your own AI program.  I am going to be a Fitness “Expert.”

As for women in America who have had breast enlargements, that figure stands at 300,000 breast augmentations that are performed each year in the U.S.  The average cost of these procedures is between 7,000 to $10,000 total.

Comparing men with six pack abdominal muscles to women with breast enlargements shows that a larger percentage of women undergo this treatment compared to men with six pack abs.  About 3% to 6% of adult women in the United States have had breast implants at some point in their lives.  It is clear why the percentage is higher than for men so enough said about abs and breasts.

The point here is that as with all of the “Experts” and analysts telling us what to do, what is going to happen and how to think there is an enormous difference between visibility and reality.  I am not going to try to bust anyone’s bubble more than I already have but the situation is a little like me taking lessons from Usain Bolt on how to run faster.  Usain is a great runner but there is no way that I ever had the physical equipment to run like he does.  The same goes for my singing.  I can take singing lessons all day long and I am not going to sound like Morgan Wallen.  But here we are talking about physical changes and many of the “Experts” that I am decrying are giving policy advice.  For instance, there has been a flood of “Experts” telling the police and FBI what they should be doing in the Nancy Guthrie case.  Nut cases with theories abounding are calling up regularly with advice and “clues” that they think might lead the police to finding Nancy.

What happens when the daily and nightly news is full of so-called “Experts” telling us what is going to happen in Iran or any other place in the world?  The result is chaos, confusion, uncertainty, and bewilderment.  None of these results helps any of us sleep any better.  One “Expert” tells us this and another “Expert” tells us that.  Who do we believe when we have hundreds of “Experts” all telling us what to believe?  Not only does truth die but so does belief.  We no longer trust the reality that we navigate in.  People without a sense of direction or without any certainties in life become easy prey for demi-gods and would be dictators.  The reality that people live in today makes them an easy target for predators that want to get their vote or get their dollar for some cause.  The bottom line is always how to get the money from your pocket to their pocket.

How Do We Protect Ourselves from Experts?

I can give you three prescriptions that might help you.  Here goes:

  1. Do not trust any single “Expert” or any one medium for information.  A friend of mine has the following system.  He calls it the “Ladder System.”  There are five rungs on the ladder.  Each rung represents a means of dealing with anything that we are told or hear or even see.

Rung 1:  Bottom Rung

If you see something or hear something new it goes on the lowest rung in the ladder.  We do not accept its validity at this point.

Rung 2:

If you hear of some data or facts from a reliable source that corroborates the information on Rung 1, than you can move it up to Rung 2.  At this point it has some validity for being believable but perhaps not factual or consistent.

Rung 3:

To get to Rung 3, you need at least three or more independent corroborations from sources that are not selling you anything or benefiting from your dismissing the information.   At this point your data or evidence should be highly reliable and valid.

Rung 4:

You may place your information on Rung 4 when you are able to substantiate the data and facts supporting the validity of this information with your own subjective experiences.  Theory and Experience are essential to establish the validity or truthfulness of any theory.  I prefer to have some personal experiences as well as scientific research before I put anything on this rung.

Rung 5:

Something can reach the Fifth Rung, only when science and reliable research over a period of at least ten years has supported the validity of the truth or information you want to regard as truth.  Corroboration + Research + Experience + Time = Validity of the Information

  1. Be suspicious of anyone who has something to gain by your accepting what they say is true. 

You have heard the saying “If it is too good to be true, it probably isn’t.”  This saying has not stopped millions of people from being suckered in by slick con artists. A potential con artist is anyone who can gain your trust through a variety of means:

  • Appealing to your emotions
  • Winning your trust through purported friendship
  • Claiming (even if legitimately) to be an Expert. This is the position that doctors, lawyers, and other professionals often use.  “Me expert.  You poor stupid ignorant client or customer or patient.”  Just because they have an advanced degree does not make them right.  Many so called experts often pontificate well out of the realm of their expertise.
  • Being referred to you by someone you trust. The problem here is that anyone can become a sucker.  Look at all the people who lost millions of dollars to Bernie Maddoff.   Your friend might have already drank the Kool-aide.
  1. Do not be so blinded by your own intelligence or ego that you cannot stop and get a second and even third opinion.

It is hard to believe that so many people will sign on the dotted line before checking with someone who might be more objective and more independent.  Heed the saying that, “Pride goes before a fall.” “Experts” have fooled thousands of people because the people were too proud to get an independent or third party opinion.  We are never so blind as when we think that something we want or need will bring us the desired or expected outcomes that may be predicted by the “Experts.”

Let me tell you a story that happened to me after I was taken to the hospital on my very first ambulance ride. 

About five years or so ago, one night I developed a throbbing pain in my side.  I tried going for a walk, drinking hot lemon tea but nothing worked.  I went to change up hoping to get in bed and the pain would stop.  Next thing I know I was in an ambulance and headed to the hospital about forty miles away in St. Croix Falls.  I woke when they started to stick me with an IV needle.  Apparently I had passed out, and Karen called 911 thinking that I had had a heart attack.  By the way, it was my first time ever in an ambulance.

I was driven to the St. Croix Medical Center and went immediately into emergency care.  I was put on a bed, and they started a series of procedures to see what was wrong with me.  I had an EKG, an Xray and an Ultrasound.  All of this took about three hours.  By then the pain had gone away and they sent me home with a doctors referral for the next day.

I arrived back at the medical center and had a meeting with a doctor.  She informed me that I had a gall bladder attack and that I would need to have my gall bladder removed.  I surmised as much and before I came to the appointment I read up some on gall bladder problems.  She said they would do the pre-medical check today and I could come back for the surgery the following day. I said “wait just a minute.  How do you know that my gall gladder is bad?  She replied, “Don’t be afraid, it is a simple procedure, and you don’t really need your gall bladder.”

I said “listen Doctor, I had two surgeries in the past five years.  I had my prostate removed and another for an inguinal hernia.  I am not afraid of surgery.  I just want to be sure that it is needed.”  I said, “what if it was just a gall stone and it passed?”  She said “Well, you might have other stones and then you will have the same problem again or maybe worse.”  I said “Well, can’t you tell from the Xray if there are any other stones just waiting to pass?”  “No,” she replied.  “Why not” said I.  “Because your gall bladder was so inflamed that the Xray could not see anything.”  “Well then, what if we wait about two or three weeks and take another Xray when the inflammation has gone down?”  “No Medicare will not let us do that.  You can either get the surgery or forget about it.”  By now I was fed up with the discussion.  “I will pay for the procedure” I said.  “No, that is not an option.”  “Okay, then I will pass on the surgery.”  She turned and walked out of the room without even a goodbye or have a lovely day.

A year later, I had another acute pain in my right abdomen.  This time I drove myself to the same St. Croix Health Center.  Again, it was at night and again the same procedures, Xray, EKG, Ultrasound.  However, this time, they thought it was my kidney.  Since I was more cognizant at this event, I asked the doctor if when they did the Ultrasound for my kidney, they could also take in my gall bladder.  He agreed.  When all the testing was over, I went home with another appointment for the next day.

Back again at the St. Croix Health Center.  Doctor comes in and informs me that I have stage 1 kidney disease.  He wants to know if I drink any alcoholic beverages.  I tell him only draft beers, 45 percent Knob Creek Bourbon, 42 Percent Ron Barceló Gran Anejo Rum and 40 percent Cabo Wabo Anejo Tequila.  He politely informs  me that I might live longer if I cut my alcohol consumption down.  I agree.  I than ask him if he noticed anything about my gall bladder on the x-rays and how it was doing.  Surprise of my life.  He said “Your gall bladder was fine.  You have the gall bladder of a sixteen year old.”

I went home and checked out the price of a gall bladder removal.  It was between thirty-five thousand and forty thousand dollars.  I was wondering if there was any way Medicare or my insurance plan would reimburse me for the money I saved by passing up on the Gall Bladder surgery.  Five years have since passed.  I have not had any more kidney or gall bladder problems.  I confess, I have cut my alcohol usage by about 75 percent.

The point of my story here is that the Expert, the doctor was all prepared to do “routine” gall bladder surgery without conclusive evidence that it was needed.  If you read some of my earlier blogs, you will find the following statistics on unneeded surgeries.  This data is from the  Lown Institute hospital overuse analyses using Medicare claims:

  1. Coronary stents for stable heart disease
    Lown reported 229,000 unnecessary coronary stents from 2019–2021, which is about 76,000 per year among Medicare patients.
  2. Back surgery: spinal fusion / laminectomy for low-value indications
    Lown reported more than 200,000 unnecessary back surgeries over three years, or roughly 67,000 per year.
  3. Vertebroplasty for osteoporotic fracture
    Lown reported over 100,000 unnecessary vertebroplasties over three years, or about 33,000 per year.
  4. Hysterectomy for benign disease
    In Lown’s March–December 2020 Medicare analysis, hospitals performed 14,455 low-value hysterectomies. That annualizes to roughly 17,000 per year.
  5. Inferior vena cava (IVC) filter placement
    In that same March–December 2020 analysis, hospitals performed 9,595 low-value IVC filter procedures, which annualizes to about 11,500 per year.

A few important cautions: these are expert overuse estimates, not exact counts of proven malpractice; they are largely based on Medicare hospital claims, so they do not capture every U.S. patient; and “unnecessary” here means the procedure met published overuse criteria, not that every individual case was inappropriate.

Conclusions:

I do not have much else to say.  We rely too much on so-called experts.  We need to base our decisions on facts.  This means facts based on data and not opinions or even just theories.  My mentor Dr. Deming used to say, “In God we trust, but everyone else must have data.”  My father always said, “Believe nothing of what you hear and half of what you say.”  Both of these admonitions have served me well and I think if they are the only thing that you remember from my blog, I will have done my job.  Remember please.  I am not selling you anything or charging you any money for my thoughts.  You can take them or leave them; it is all the same to me.  Here are some quotes on “Experts” by better men than I am.

“The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.”
— Bertrand Russell

“Those who have knowledge, don’t predict.  Those who predict, don’t have knowledge.”
— Lao Tzu

“Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.”
— Richard Feynman

“Experts are often wrong, but never in doubt.”
— Anonymous

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Experts and Know It All’s, or why you are stupid and dumb and they know everything!

argumentsThere is a saying that goes “The young know everything, the middle aged suspect everything and the elderly believe everything.”  I really can’t say I find much truth in this saying.  I find far too many people young, middle aged and old people alike, who still know everything.   They aggravate the hell out of me.  They correct you on history, dates, politics, philosophy, truth, knowledge, weather forecasts, directions, word spellings and word pronunciations.  They lecture you about things you might know more than them about, but they are oblivious to your opinions.  To add insult to injury, they are right every time.  They are like Mr. Science on PBS; “they know more than you do.”  They may have a degree, TV or some friends who told them everything they believe.  More likely they are relying on some “expert” who they passionately believe in and no amount of expertise on your part or expert witnesses you can muster will put even a small dent in their beliefs.  They remain adamant that you are wrong and they are right.  Their experts trump your experts.  Their degrees trump your degrees.  Their experience trumps your experience.

Karen and I always enjoyed going to Hmong and Vietnamese restaurants and there were many in St. Paul on University Avenue.  One of our favorite winter dishes was a large bowl of soup named Pho.  It came in many different varieties.  We loved this soup.  Now I can’t honestly tell you that I can pronounce the word Pho as my Hmong friends did.  Nevertheless, they generally figured out what I was talking about when I pointed to the menu and said “Number 37 with squid please.”  It came to pass that some friends of ours went to visit a family in Vietnam.  Shortly after they came back from Vietnam, we all went to a Vietnamese restaurant for some Pho.  Of course, now that the wife had been in Vietnam, she was an expert on pronouncing Vietnamese words.  She told us how to correctly pronounce Pho.  I would have been all right with this except that it did not sound like the same word any of the waiters in the restaurant were using.  I guess they just forgot how to pronounce their own language.  I hate it when people correct my word pronunciations!  Why, because I have found that there are often many different ways to pronounce a word.  Some are undoubtedly wrong, but who knows?  Of course, the “expert” knows the right pronunciation.

People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do.”  — Isaac Asimov

Do I have a big character quirk?  Why do these people annoy me so much?  I love Socrates because he did not know everything.  I am agitated by people who correct me.  I don’t mind it if you have your opinions.  I don’t mind it if you have your experts.  I also don’t mind it if you read it in a book someplace.  However, has it ever occurred to you that I might have a different opinion?  I might have read a different book?  I might have heard a different expert?  Am I making a mountain out of a mole hill or is this problem getting worse?  It seems to me there are more know-it-alls on the web and internet and TV then there were before.  It sometimes seems like there are more experts out there than there are people on the face of the earth.  Every day we are bombarded with experts telling us what to eat, how to exercise, what to invest in, what to believe, what not to believe.  I sometimes feel that we need a “War on Experts.”

We must be so careful of setting ourselves up as people who set others straight. There is a fine line of encouraging and being a know it all.  — Unknown quote

To make it worse, you cannot escape this war online.  Every day there are arguments on different chat groups and websites where it is clear that each side is totally ignoring what the other side is saying.  Here is one example from Facebook, I recently experienced.  I will refrain from using the actual names of the parties concerned.  It involves a disagreement over the use of Electroshock Therapy for patients in a mental health facility.  A friend posted his comments noting a wide range of experts who thought that such treatments were abusive and no longer useful.  He was immediately “jumped” on by an “expert” who disagreed and cited their extensive history and experience in a facility where Electroshock Therapy was used.  Apparently in his perspective, the patients needed it and loved it.  When asked to produce some evidence as to his experience or expertise, he fell back on the old “Trust Me” I know argument.  No amount of persuasion could convince the “expert” that other “experts” might not agree with him.

Never become so much of an expert that you stop gaining expertise. View life as a continuous learning experience.  — Denis Waitley

Here is a verbatim discussion from another Facebook group online that is for “Intellectual Discussions.”  I have left the names out.  The discussion started with the posting of a picture that appeared to some as “offensive.”  The picture dealt with slavery.

  • Disgusting part of our history that we should never forget.
  • Can we move away from posting statements and more towards questions which will foster discussion?
  • I’m sure we all know of the atrocities that happened to those poor people, but there isn’t much more we can say on this point other than having a circle jerk to see who can be the most apologetic and remorseful for the ways of whitey.
  • Can we just post whatever we want? Otherwise bring it up with admin for a questions
  • I don’t see a problem with this, although it will probably fall to the bottom of the page pretty quickly. The nature of debate is someone offers a stance, and then people will either agree or offer an opposing stance. There is nothing wrong with debating your point of view. I can’t see how somebody would disagree with the above in this case, but the nature of racism is certainly a valid topic.
  • My only point was this offers very little to discuss, which one would assume is the point of the group. i have nothing against discussing this topic, but this is just a depressing statement with a depressing pic, it’s not really a topic or point of contention which will inspire any discussion.
  • Yeah I agree this won’t generate much of a discussion. I don’t think any of the admins here would want to ban this however, seems a bit draconian to me. You don’t want to create an environment where people are hesitant to post things because of a police like environment.
  • I found that this fact brought up many, many issues to discuss, intellectually.
  • Linking articles in this manner is lazy and attributes to spam.
  • Shuvit,
  • Who’s lazy now?
  • Be cool, man, you don’t have to be like that .
  • Spam = selling something.
  • No one, who is intelligent, in the group Intellectual Discussion is going to stand for unwarranted aggression or name calling. Be careful with your words, they are very powerful, “You just might write a check, you can’t cash….Anywhere.”
  •  Nobody here has been name calling. Chill out people . . . everyone please.
  • THIS IS WHY WE CAN”T HAVE NICE THINGS
  • That was good!
  • Shuv-it I don’t understand why you would disrespect my name, and in the same breath condone name calling.
  •  And to this white guilt shame stirring understand it has zero effect on me – for a couple of reasons; first is relevance. Law which doesn’t exist.

arguments 2This same story repeats itself endlessly on the web and elsewhere.  You post something.  Some body disagrees with it.  Someone takes offense at it.  Some expert rebuts it.  Someone does not think you should have said it.  It is not much different elsewhere.  You say something in a coffee shop.  Some expert rebuts it.  You are at a party and make a comment.  Some expert rebuts it.  Where are all the Socrates?  Where are all the truly wise people who know that they know nothing?  Why are we surrounded by experts?  What if more of us were like Socrates and at least not so sure of what we know?

“I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing.”  — Socrates

I find myself wondering about the old rules of rhetoric and debate.  The rules we learned in school.  Was anyone ever convinced of anything by facts, experts and argument?  I see little evidence of this online or anywhere else.  Perhaps it works in court where people come without a bias to begin with.  Perhaps not!  Of one thing, I am fairly certain; I have experienced few if any arguments where I was a witness to a change of mind.  Thus, most arguments go around in a circle and the victor is often the most obtuse or the one with the most stomach for hyperbole, rigmarole, obfuscation, pedantry and insults.  You win when the other side quits.  Is there a solution?  I think there might be.

What about a set of rules for disagreeing with other people?   What if we agreed on certain principles that were more designed to illicit the truth then to prove ourselves right and the other side wrong?  It would be more like win-win bargaining then win-lose bargaining.  Both sides would try to find the truth or at least the Golden Mean.  This would probably never work in court, but it might work in arguments between people or at least between friends.  Thus, I propose the following rules:

  1. Start with admitting that you do not know everything.
  2. Admit that you might not have all the facts and that what facts you have are not necessarily true.
  3. Agree that the truth between your side and the other side might be in-between.
  4. Do not insult, slander, belittle or ridicule the other side.
  5. Ask questions and seek facts together?  Ask what is missing in the evidence that would make the truth more obvious?
  6. Celebrate finding the truth and not a victory over the other side.

What do you think?  Would these rules make discourse more civil? Am I being naïve? 

As an experiment, I posted these rules and a short prologue to them on a few websites (Five websites dealing with discussion and debate). I waited a few days to update this article and to include any insights I received from this experiment.  Here are some interesting comments that people left in response to my posting:

  • I was convinced, through logical debate alone, that I live in a permanently determined universe even though my direct experience will never reflect that fact. This was one of a few MAJOR shifts in perception/worldview I have had in my life, which had an impact on every part of my life. It literally turned my entire belief system on its head at the time. It happened while having a conversation on a forum online. The (logical) truth alone can be transformative if you honor it over your emotional preferences and attachments. It’s not easy to let go of false beliefs and ideas, so most of us choose instead to desperately cling to them out of fear, and that becomes the hidden driver for various dishonest techniques like information filtering and distortion, that destroy our capacity to be moved by logic and by truth. Logic and truth are not to blame – human dishonesty and unclear motive is to blame. You need to become the kind of person who has thought about everything so much, that you delight in the idea of someone proving you wrong, you seek it out and look for it because you are bored to death with having figured everything out.
  •  You are describing having an open mind – it takes discipline and practice- and maybe a referee. People find it hard not to either take comments personally, or to make personal attacks.
  •  All 6 points mentioned above sound logical and reasonable. The problem is for one to transfer them from the theoretical stage to the practical one. If one can adopt and apply in his daily communication the outlined 6 points then in my opinion he is a “man of enormous wisdom”.
  •  Yes. And like all people that hold various perceptions of various paradigms (i.e., religion, government, etc.,), they come in all levels of perception. Some are easier than others to converse with. We ALL have different learning curves, molded by different experiences, histories, etc.  There are those, out there, that ENDEAVOR to have an open mind and question.
  •  What you are proposing is dialogue instead of debate. When you want to find the truth, dialogue is the way to go. Sometimes judgments have to be made in absence of absolute certainty, debate is useful in these situations (and yes pathos is huge in debates), but should ideally be avoided by finding the truth.
  • I was warned against the fallacy of moderation (or the mean) when I learnt rhetoric and that the truth rarely lies between two opposite positions.

argument-against-argumentsConclusions:

Karen asked me when the “experiment” was over whether people agreed with me or not.  Well, like most of life, there was no black and white answer to this question.  Most people agree we need civility but most did not seem to think it likely that people could control their emotional responses in respect to an argument or concept that they felt strongly about.  Rules or no rules, I am constrained to accept the possibility that:

  1. There often may be no middle ground for compromise
  2. Conflict is inevitable in some circumstances
  3. People are emotional and bring emotional baggage to many discussions
  4. People can change their minds but it will not be an easy task to break anyone out of their pre-existing frameworks
  5. We need to make more of an effort to find the “Golden Mean”
  6. We need to show more respect for opinions we disagree with

Time for Questions:

 Are there too many experts in the world?  Why have the amount of “talking heads” proliferated?  Are you tired of hearing experts tell you what you should know and think?  How can we have more agreeable conversations?  Is it possible to avoid conflict and look for the truth rather than try to prove ourselves right?  Are you a “know it all”?  What do we have to do to be more open minded?

Life is just beginning